The Story Behind Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers’ “Refugee” with Mike Campbell: Podcast

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We’re pressing play on a brand new season of The Story Behind the SongThe podcast series that finds legendary artists taking listeners through the history behind their most iconic songs is back for Season 4, with upcoming guests including DEVO, Heart, Sublime, Counting Crows, Gloria Gaynor, and more. To kick things off, guitarist and songwriter Mike Campbell of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers joins host Peter Csathy to break down their beloved 1979 track “Refugee.” Listen above or wherever you get your podcasts, or watch video of the complete interview below.

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Campbell dives deep into the story of Refugee from Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers’ album Damn the Torpedoes, taking us behind the scenes of the song’s creation and sharing how a spontaneous demo led to one of the band’s greatest hits. Starting with his early influences, Campbell reflects on how a simple four-track recording at home – created just for fun – laid the foundation for “Refugee.” He recounts how the music flowed naturally from his love for Albert King’s guitar sound, and how Tom Petty’s lyrics brought the song to life.

“I gave him a cassette [with the demo] and he went home, and I’ve heard from his family that he would sit and play the cassette over and over and hum along to it and try to grab a spark of some sort,” Campbell says of the lyrics. “The lyric is so powerful and it’s timeless, you know? It’s going on today, and that’s what’s so beautiful about. A lot of people connect with, ‘You gotta live your life, and don’t let the big man push you down. Don’t have to live like a refugee. Keep fighting for what you believe .’ And that was Tom, that was just from his soul… a very pure place and a place of hope and redemption.”

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Meanwhile, the episode also touches on his personal journey, from his deep admiration for Bob Dylan and his incredible moment performing with George Harrison and Ringo Starr, to the writing of his new memoir, Heartbreaker. Campbell opens up about his lasting partnership with Petty, as wll as the joy of his current band, The Dirty Knobs (who are touring with Blackberry Smoke and Shannon McNally this summer; get tickets here!).

Listen to Mike Campbell discuss the making of “Refugee” above or on your favorite podcast platform. You can also watch the full interview below. Then make sure to follow The Story Behind the Song, and rate and review on Apple Podcasts.

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On Thursday night in Brooklyn, all the young rock fans were tucked under the Kosciuszko Bridge watching Turnstile’s new album release show. On Saturday, swarms of Gen Zers came to see Olivia Rodrigo headline Governors Ball in Queens. I can’t attest to how much overlap there was in the crowds, but even if the audiences were diametrically different, the message was similar: guitar music is alive with the kids.Rodrigo doesn’t fall into the same category as Turnstile, of course, nor would many argue she’s the heir to Gov Ball rock alumni like The Killers, The Strokes, or Jack White. Her performance was arguably closer to them, however, than Lizzo, Billie Eilish, or other pop acts who have topped the fest’s bill.
Headlining her first major US festival and the first of the new-gen “pop girlies” to be booked in such a slot (Sabrina Carpenter headlined Outside Lands 2024, but as a fill-in for Tyler, the Creator after her spring/summer “Espresso” explosion), the Sour superstar exemplified the modern form of the festival headliner. She’s booked a number of similar spots around the world all summer, from Lollapalooza to Glastonbury. While it’s not the sort of billing that portends a night of head-banging, old-heads disgruntled at the lack of rock acts closing out multi-genre festivals have reason to be encouraged.
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Related VideoWhere your typical pop headline will bring elaborate stage constructions and/or intricate dance routines, Rodrigo brought a full band and pyro. Her set mirrored any number of classic rock acts: two ramps on either side of the stage, and a runway into the crowd. On “love is embarrassing,” she was joined by her two guitarists and bassist at the front, and they traded off taking post on those ramps, running about and screaming towards the hyped-up crowd.
Yes, it was all quite choreographed, but plenty of rock bands have the same pre-determined positions. Besides, as a nominal pop star putting on rock aesthetics, Rodrigo leaning into this simple yet trademark iconography still earns respect.Olivia Rodrigo, photo by Ben Kaye
And as a rock star, Rodrigo ate. Crawling towards her guitarist on “pretty isn’t pretty,” basking in the solo; strapping on an axe herself during opener “obsessed” as fireworks exploded behind her. When she came out for the encore with “brutal,” it turned into a metal show, all pummeling riffs and screens filled with flames.
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She ate as a pop star, too, to be fair. Her banter was sweet and sincere (“I kinda think of my life as before and after this song, which is kinda crazy,” she said before “drivers license”), and softer turns like “traitor” saw her taking center stage with an acoustic guitar.
The big moment for older attendees was the arrival of David Byrne toward the end of the main set. Dressed in red overalls to match Rodrigo’s own two-piece look, the New York City icon and the young starlet did a duet of Talking Heads’ “Burning Down the House.” She clearly was getting a kick out of the kooky, Byrne-ian choreo, and even if a large portion of nearby youth was confused by the elder musician’s presence, it all added to Rodrigo’s bona fides.
The lasting impression was that of a rock musician — more No Doubt Gwen Stefani than Love. Angel. Music. Baby. No one is going to confuse Rodrigo with Joan Jett or Karen O or a Deal sibling, but perhaps she’s not far off from a Hayley Williams. Williams, incidentally, made a guest appearance at that Turnstile show on Thursday. And while we’re talking about it, Rodrigo had The Breeders open for her previous four-night headlining stint at Madison Square Garden. That kind of nod to alternative rock canon shows Rodrigo is not just borrowing rock aesthetics — she’s actively curating a rock-forward experience for her fans.
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For an older generation of fans, maybe seeing Olivia Rodrigo headlining so many bills this year is another sign of the landscape shifting away from the festival experience they grew up on. That’s not invalid, but in a time when Turnstile is being championed for turning kids onto guitar music again, then an act like Olivia Rodrigo bringing her pop version of rock to the masses like this deserves flowers as well.
Maybe in another generation, the major festival rock headliners will be owing their inspiration to her — the pop star who performed like a rock star.
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Earlier this year, she won the Grammy for Best New Artist, and used her speech to make an impassioned plea for label heads to pay artists livable wages and provide access to healthcare.
Meanwhile, Heart just kicked off their own tour across North America running through the end of summer. Get tickets here. And listen to Nancy Wilson break down the origins of “Barracuda” during a recent appearance on The Story Behind the Song.chappell roan performing a cover of ‘barracuda’ by heart at primavera sound barcelona pic.twitter.com/SX3RVmP9m5— best of chappell roan (@bestofchappell) June 7, 2025

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